Episode 113 – The Bishop’s Strongest Tools to Help Addicts – My Interview on LeadingSaints.org

Ep113 The Bishop’s Strongest Tools to Help Addicts, Tony’s Interview on LeadingSaints.org

HEADS UP! ATTENTION! Please listen to this episode if you or ANYONE in your life has struggled with addiction. This episode contains an interview I did primarily targeted for LDS bishops (congregational leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) but I address how shame fuels addictions of all type, and more importantly how to fill the voids of life that lead to addictive behaviors. Please share with your local leaders or anyone you know who is struggling with addiction! “It’s difficult for the person to come in already so our main goal would be just letting them feel love and not shame.” The interview on the LeadingSaints.org site can be found here.  And special thanks to LeadingSaints.org’s executive director, Kurt Francom, for having me on his podcast and for his faith in me in asking me to be a part of his Leading Saints Professional Advisory Board. 

4 thoughts on “Episode 113 – The Bishop’s Strongest Tools to Help Addicts – My Interview on LeadingSaints.org”

  1. Thank you so much for this podcast Tony! My husband is currently the Bishop of a singles ward. After listening to the Leading Saints podcast I decided to listen to your pathback program and it is amazing!! You are right in that this program is not only for men but for all of us that want to build better relationships with not only those around us but with ourselves and most importantly the Lord. I flat out believe that you, through your program, are and have been inspired by Heavenly Father to help millions. I have sent this podcast to two stake presidents and will send it to a third tomorrow. Our singles stake president made sure that he in turn sent this to all of the bishops in our stake. You are stinking awesome and I can’t thank you enough for sharing your experience and hard work!!

    1. Thank you so much Liz! Seriously, your comments mean a lot to me, especially your willingness to share the podcast with so many! Thanks for spreading the word!

  2. Jason Hunsaker

    I’m curious how much your approach to treating addiction is consistent with or divergent from that of Dr. Howard Wetsman. I have found his videos helpful in establishing a useful foundation from which to talk about addiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4jkgpvQwN4&list=PL78zMp9-KD-ZTtWSjPGrAoHmSr0STGR3b

    Also, when you talk about what guilt and shame are, I have found Marsha Linehan’s definitions from Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) very helps. Essentially, guilt is an emotion we feel when we have violated a moral code that is important to us, and shame is an emotion we feel when we feel we might/will be rejected by an individual or group that is important to us. While they are separate emotions, they frequently occur together: “I made a mistake” or “I did something wrong” (guilt / Godly sorrow) “and if others find out about it, they will say I’m not normal, or that I’m bad, or will otherwise distance or cut off their association with me” (shame / rejection). This can result in us feeling “less than” others (or “I’m unworthy” or “I’m not enough” or “I’m broken”), and feeling isolated or not connected to those around us (“I don’t fit in here”).

    1. Thanks for the comment Jason, admittedly I’m not too familiar with Dr. Wetsman’s ideas, but I’m just started researching him, and I’m definitely intrigued. I appreciate your definition of guilt and shame as well, I do know Marsha Linehan’s work and I like it a lot. Anyone championing the reduction of shame is doing good work. Thank you!

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